Delay React Trade – Conclusion!

I kicked off my long-running trial of Delay – React – Trade before last Christmas. And it’s been quite an experience since.

I procrastinated a little at the outset as DRT is enormous – or, as I described it in my first progress report in January, “just too huge and important to ignore”.

But I did eventually get my head around the training videos and finally started putting on a few bets. I began to make modest profits too and was finding the learning process enjoyable. After all, this was an education that was making me money.

Months #2 and #3 however soon dampened my enthusiasm, leaving me £32 in the red overall with three-quarters of the trial gone. Indeed, they were such a sobering experience that I decided to take a break from it.

Recently however, I’ve started using the product again – and, with the European football season now coming to its annual conclusion, I too have finally completed my trial.

So… did my increased experience with DRT lead to an overall profit in the end?

(If however, you’re new to Clive Keeling’s Delay React Trade, you may like to have a look at my opening article on the trial and earlier progress updates before coming back here for my closing thoughts).

Delay React Trade
Delay React Trade

Sadly not. It’s been a disappointing final period.

The high-level summary reveals that, once again, I’ve made a modest loss.

Delay React Trade Bet & Go DRT inplay trades Pre-Match Advice / In-Play Trading Bonus Strategy Totals
Month #1        
Profit £0.00 £0.00 £24.74 £0.00 £24.74
Bets 0 0 9 0 9
           
  Month #2        
Profit £1.63 -£55.03 £23.85 -£5.00 -£34.55
Bets 28 34 45 1 108
           
  Month #3        
Profit £12.80 -£6.39 -£29.46 £0.00 -£23.05
Bets 2 17 22 0 41
           
  Final Period – Months 4 to #6        
Profit £0.00 -£1.40 -£19.97 £0.00 -£21.38
Bets 0 28 13 0 41
           
  Whole Trial        
Profit £14.43 -£62.82 -£0.84 -£5.00 -£54.24
Bets 30 79 89 1 199

You can download the complete results log by clicking here.  As you’ll see, it really has been the most frustrating of trials.

Especially because there are so many things I like about DRT

The Things I Like About Delay-React-Trade…

1. It’s extremely professionally put together.

In addition to a well-written manual and a sea of beautifully presented training videos, Clive issues a detailed daily bulletin that previews the trading opportunities you can expect that afternoon and evening.

And this is no high-level summary. Every bulletin contains a thorough match-by-match analysis exploring potential trading angles and possible market entry and exit points. It’s quite extraordinary.

2. Clive is consistently available and supportive.

For instance, he regularly runs in-play trading events in a private chatroom where members can ask questions, make suggestions and share successes and failures with both him and other members.

The level of support in DRT is, without doubt, as good as I have seen anywhere. And Clive is always great fun. His chatroom humour is very much of the ‘corny Dad joke’ variety, but all the same, it lifts the general mood and keeps things rolling along nicely.

3. The service is flexible enough to accommodate members at every level, from beginner to expert

For instance, the videos are graded into three levels – beginner, intermediate and expert – which does help reduce the initial sense of overwhelm.

Clive is also always patient with basic questions asked by chatroom newbies: which is commendable in such a fast-paced environment. There is always a risk of a degree of cliquey behaviour in such groups but I found them mutually supportive and welcoming.

4. Clive’s whole approach is based on statistics and research.

Every single recommendation he makes is backed up by facts and figures. He often turns down attractive opportunities in the chatroom on the basis that he doesn’t have convincing numbers to hand, and is reluctant to take a speculative punt.

All of which makes me wonder: why didn’t I make any money?

Which brings me to….

The Things I Don’t Like About Delay-React-Trade.

1. Too much time is required to use this service – unless, maybe, you’re a huge football fan.

I appreciate that this may sound like a general criticism of trading services, but I mean it quite specifically here.

DRT just may be simply too big, too varied and too time-consuming to master. I think it would do better if it focussed on either:

  • bet-and-go selections
  • pre-match trading strategies (that you later implement in-play), or
  • live in-play trading in the chatroom.

Instead, it’s a mix of all three. And I found myself getting muddled up in-play, often trying to follow through on strategies that were advised pre-match, whilst also attempting to track new trades that Clive is constantly flagging up ‘live’.

2. I’m simply not convinced about the value of the in-play trades.

I made an overall loss simply because I entered the chatroom and traded live.

I found the pre-match advices to be more thoroughly researched, and, importantly, based on teams that Clive was obviously very familiar with.

In contrast, several of the advised in-play trades were on games where Clive openly admitted he didn’t know the participants. The bets were based solely on in-play data, the integrity of which was sometimes challenged, even by Clive himself.

I would therefore strongly advise that a new user sticks to trading the games advised in the daily bulletins. The logic behind the pre-match recommendations is always robustly argued and takes account of historic performance over both the short and longer term.

3. Is It Just ME?

Every time I skipped a weekend with the live chatroom service, it would appear, from the comments made by other members the next time I logged in, that I had missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Huge wins seemed to be guaranteed for other participants just by my decision not to trade. It was enormously frustrating: so maybe it was just me?

Now, I am prepared to believe that either I was just unlucky or that other, more experienced, DRT members are making significant amounts of money, having successfully navigated the initial learning curve.

But I note too both the reassuring comments made by several of my readers and the well-known tendency of all gamblers to trumpet wins and bury losses.

I haven’t seen the results logs of other traders, but, as you can see here, mine contains both triumphs and disasters.

4. I remain fundamentally unconvinced about the value of arbitrarily delaying trades until the very last moment.

A repeated mantra of the service is the ‘D’ – “delay” – of DRT: the idea being to reduce your liabilities and maximise your winnings by entering in-play trades late in the game.

There are two problems with this idea.

Firstly, it means you miss a lot of opportunities. And I can assure you, there is nothing more frustrating than listening to the whoops and hollers of other members who didn’t delay, but did profit, from the goal scored the moment before you finally decided to enter the market.

And secondly, it means you will lose a lot of trades. A bet at 1.07 is priced as such for a reason. It does not, in fairness, carry the same risk as a bet at 1.5, but neither does it present the same opportunity.

Betting on an unlikely outcome when there is very little time left in a game self-evidently reduces the frequency of wins.

Delaying does not, in itself, introduce an edge: it just lowers your strike rate and ensures you win larger amounts less often. Which in turn means you will experience a small number of wonderful moments and a whole pile of trivial failures.

Summary

It’s difficult to sum up the trial of such a big product in just a few words.

DRT sets a new standard in the professionalism of its supplier and the thoroughness of the research on which it’s based. It’s that well put together.

But ultimately it just didn’t work for me.

And, as I’ve just explained above, I remain unconvinced about the mathematical value of arbitrarily delaying trades.

Now, I am quite prepared to believe that a lot of people are making good money with DRT. My guess is that they are big footy fans who add their own analysis to Clive’s and thereby develop into expert traders. Good luck to them!

But for me, based on my results, I can only award a Neutral rating. I’d love to be proven utterly wrong though so feel free to disagree by leaving a comment below.

If however, you’d just like to find out more about DRT, you can do so here.

Lucy

ps why not have a read of my free FORTY-THREE PAGE ebook on making £1000 per month from betting systems?  The methods are all low-risk and re-usable, so click here and get it now!

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Comments

  1. SueD says

    Sad it didn’t get any better for you but i think your summing up is 100% and definitely reflects my experience. As you say, maybe one for the big footy fans.

    • Lucy says

      David

      I did 89 trades based on pre-match advices and essentially broke even. So I can’t answer that question with a yes. But this is where I feel the value is likely to be over the long run as these trades were so robustly researched.

      Lucy

      • David says

        Thanks Lucy.

        I like the combo of good research and solid methods. You’ll need both in addition to discipline for long term success. Perhaps the product needs a (season) long trial to be able to make a real one way or the other decision. Appreciate that’s not overly practical for a review site.

        Do you think the current (initial and monthly) price is pitched right? It seems to have crept up since it was launched a couple of years back.

        • Lucy says

          David

          Yes it has crept up but it’s probably not unreasonable that it has done so.

          Clive puts an awful lot into this product including regular trading sessions: I do think it’s very fair, from that point of view.

          At time of writing, DRT does also offer a 30 day free trial, backed by a robust warranty.

          You can check that’s still available here.

          Lucy

  2. Mike says

    Hello Lucy, I signed-up for the £1 trial a couple of weeks ago and have to say you’re right in that:

    1. There will definitely be a number of losing trades and perhaps only a few wins – I made a £100 Lay @ 1.03 on my first session and won but only after 3 losers, so persistence is the key (that still left me around £85 up after 4 bets risking no more than £7 each bet).

    2. Whilst “Delay” is a big part of the in-play strategy, I think everyone needs to decide what kind of liability they are comfortable with and perhaps enter the market at that point.

    For instance I bet the next Overs in games where Clive had indicated he was waiting to get a low price on the Draw/whatever market he was targeting (as he was expecting another goal), so I won when many others didn’t get a bet on as they were waiting and a goal came too soon for them. Of course it can go the other way and you can take a low back/high lay price earlier and still not win..

    3. I agree Clive’s research is thorough and so I think there is perhaps an argument to see how you would have done if you only stuck to those matches over a longer period. However you then miss some as you said un-researched trades, so damned if you do…..of course there’s nothing to stop you doing your own research on the games being played and identifying the same stats/etc. that Clive does. I did flag a game where a team losing 0-1 had never lost the H2H in 10 years and we all got on, they promptly went on to win at very good odds.

    4. I have my own selection system and did flag some of the other games up in-play (and won very nicely too), so the strategies can be employed on your own picks if you have them and Clive always give feedback on any games people mention. Doing that proved the most profitable for me.

    Overall I agree it can seem very complicated if you do not focus on what you are the most comfortable doing. I’ve been trading for around 4 years and developed my own selection systems and strategies, so it’s been interesting to see how Clive works.

    I think this is a service that once someone understands how they like to trade then this will help them to exploit maximum profit from each trade they place (or pass-up those that don’t represent good value), and if you keep the stakes relatively small you can play all of Clive’s trades (only the ones he actually places, not just mentions) and come out on top.

    Of course any service where you can/have to use your own judgement will yield different results for everyone – your comment about missing trades is very important in that the bedrock of my trading has been to react immediately but Clive’s is the opposite.

    I trade a lot more games than Clive does albeit I have trades entered into the relevant markets for all the days selections before they start and then monitor them as they progress, entering any secondary trades as required automatically.

    The way Clive trades does involve a lot of screen time (I can check my trades on the go via my ‘phone) but a lot of other in-play opportunities can present themselves when you watch, so it may be a question of trading style preferences again.

    My trial concludes soon so with a summer of other sports starting I’m considering extending the trial for another month to see how Clive does with those other sports (he is doing the Tennis currently as I write this and a couple of soccer games), so I am unsure as to what exactly everyone will get out of this (but they will get something I think), and £1 for the first month’s trial isn’t steep so perhaps give it a go and see and see as Lucy says.

    Keep up the good work Lucy, been a follower for quite a while and always appreciate your advice/views.

    • David says

      Thanks for that really interesting summary. Will be interested to hear any further updates down the line.

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